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title: Generating numbers unpredictable to an attacker
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From: Kent Borg <kentborg@borg.org> 2021-03-30
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To: Cryptography Mailing List
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```
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Entropy is important to RNGs but unfortunately RNG people are at risk of
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devoutly worshiping at the alter of "Countable Entropy", blinded to
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realities, ready with jeers for anyone who does not share their extreme
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theology.
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These people are so in the thrall of the theoretical that they are blinded to
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the practical and any other theories.
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And for practical purposes, it is the unguessability of the RNG that
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matters. Any source of unguessable data is a good thing to use to drive an
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RNG. Even sources that are dismissed as "squish" by the most devout and
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most blinded can be good. And there is a great example that these disciples
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can't see.
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# Time Distribution is Hard
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NTP is really great, I love it, so cool. It can set my computer's clock with a
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precision measured in milliseconds. Very impressive it can do this just by
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applying algorithms to hardware that is already present.
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If one wants better, the next option is to get time from GPS. According to
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gps.gov a specialized receiver, at a fixed location, can know the time
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within 40ns. This is pretty cool, too. It is good enough to synchronize RF
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signals between CDMA cell sites so phones can communicate with more
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than one site as the same time.
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GPS also depends on billions of dollars of infrastructure with an annual
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budget that must be in the millions. People think GPS is about location,
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but at its core it is really about time distribution. From end-to-end a design
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where every component is doing its best to carefully keep and distribute
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precise time. If one pays attention to details and has the money for good
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hardware (far more than just a smartphone), to get 40ns is very cool.
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# Guessing Time is Even Harder
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With all that money can constructive effort, one can do 40ns. What are you
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going to do to do better? Get specific. (Warning, it's not going to be easy.)
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# Cheap Unguessability
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A 1 GHz clock has a cycle time of 1ns. (Is it even possible to buy an Intel-based
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machine that runs slower than 1GHz these days?) 1ns is a lot
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smaller than 40ns. You don't know the value of my clock.
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Intel chips have a timestamp counter that increments with every tick of the
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system clock. You don't know the value of my counter.
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The system clock isn't fed to the CPU, the CPU is fed a much lower
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frequency, that it then multiplies up using analog on-chip PLL circuitry.
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That clock is then (carefully) distributed on-chip. And even then, different
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parts of the chip are in different clock domains, because clock distribution
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and synchronization is hard.
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So the "system clock" doesn't exist outside the CPU, it is only a "CPU clock",
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and not all parts of the CPU are even privy to it.
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No one at any distance outside that chip knows the value of the timestamp
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counter. A program might contain the instruction to read the timestamp
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counter, but by the time anything is done with that value, it will have
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changed.
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Is there "entropy" in that system clock? Some, but only some. The PLL will
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have some jitter, the precision of the lower frequency input clock will have
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iffy precision and be subject to drift.
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Is there "unguessability" in that system clock? Plenty! At least to any
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observer at any distance (i.e., outside the computer).
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Remember, it takes billions of dollars and lots of careful design and
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cooperation to distribute 40ns. time. No such effort nor expense has been made
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to tell the world the precise value of my 1ns period (or less) CPU clock.
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No one outside my computer knows its precise value.
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# Back on Topic
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Intel hardware has a great source of unguessability in its timestamp
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counter. All you need is an uncorrelated sampling of this clock. Say, a
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network interrupt.
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I know the squish patrol is now all upset, because external observers can
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be the one's sending these packets with careful timing. So what? The
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timing can't be careful enough. The value that is read from the timestamp
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counter in servicing that interrupt depends on knowing edge timings far
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more closely than 1ns, for every time the observer guesses a value on the
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wrong side of one of these edges, one bit of unguessability slips by.
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# RNGs are Still Hard
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A (1) uncorrelated sampling of a (2) fast clock is, indeed, a good source of
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unguessability.
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But, make sure both those things be true.
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Is virtualization messing with how these things work? Is variable clock
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scaling messing with it? Have interrupts been virtualized in some
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predictable way? Is the timestamp counter being messed with in an
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attempt to have it not appear to be warped by clock scaling and effectively
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running much slower? Is some OS scheduling algorithm synchronizing
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interrupt servicing with timestamp values?
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Just because there is an underappreciated way to feed an RNG doesn't
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mean there aren't plenty of ways to still mess it up. ("Um, it turns out the
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RNG isn't in production builds." Who will notice?)
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Implementation matters.
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But the fact remains time distribution is hard, the period of a gigahertz clock is small. No one at any distance knows its value. An awful lot of computers out there can use this to drive their RNGs.
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-kb, the Kent who laments that Arm CPUs didn't have something like a timestamp counter last he looked.
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# Attacks
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From: Barney Wolff <barney@databus.com> 2021-05-31
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To: Cryptography Mailing List
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```
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Surely this depends on how many guesses an attacker is
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allowed before being detected and blocked. If there's
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no penalty for guessing wrong, as with an offline attack,
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I doubt the GHz ticker can contribute more than about 20
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bits or so.
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# Implementation
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From: jrzx <jrzx@protonmail.ch> 2021-06-06
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To: Cryptography Mailing List
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```
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Every network or disk event provides several bits of unguessability. You
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are going to accumulate a 128 bits in a hundred milliseconds or so.
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Accumulate the bits into Knuth's additive number generator 3.2.2, then
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hash the seed.
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Continue accumulating randomness into the seed when you get
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uncorrelated events. Continue hashing the seed when you need more
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random numbers.
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The attacker performing an offline attack will have to guess all 128 bits.
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